I'm so not here for dunking about how men as a whole are terrible. Like, I've been there, I get where it comes from, I get that there are all sorts of mental exceptions about The Few Good Ones and such

And I've also heard repeatedly from trans men and other transmasculine people how intensely damaging that is for them and I refuse to just sideline so much of our communities like that

@AzureHusky please tell me to shut up if I'm butting in too much, but;

I think that in order to actually make progress, people need vent space, legitimization (unfortunately when people are marginalized especially, we learn that solidarity involves in-groups and "othering"), and actually *working* around members of the other group.

Social media winds up being all three, there's no vent space; no clear place to go okay, this was healthy, but so is being charitable to these other people.

@Leucrotta I absolutely agree vent space is important and sometimes this sort of thing can be necessary in that kind of space. And also we need to acknowledge that when we make this sort of vent publicly (especially in a format that can be passed around) then it isn't a safe vent space and may be having collateral damage that we can't control.

@Leucrotta I have small groups I vent in, private chats and a small triad of all trans people. And I may do a "shake my fist and tell 'cis people'" there at times even when i know it's unfair. But if I toot Cis People Are All Garbage and people boost it around that isn't just a vent anymore. It's becoming shared where people who can be harmed by it can see it.