Wheaton incident and Mastodon tools (~)
As I heard more about what the thing is about, here my unsolicited opinion:
I don't care if what he did justified what was done in your eyes, but what I can say is that this isn't birdsite.
Mob culture doesn't belong here. Making sure a person doesn't exist, doesn't belong here.
I know I sound extremely centrist, but seriously, we have tools here, use those!
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Wanting to get rid of a person is stuff you can pull on birdite, but it seriously doesn't belong here.
With a central authority, that might be justified. Maybe. But here?
A person on another instance does shit? Block that person for fucks sake. Want not be associating with anyone on that instance? Tell your admin to suspend or silence that instance.
Your admin doesn't listen? Make your own instance!
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We have all these tools to moderate stuff. Use them!
Forcing authorities into submission, with mob culture, might be an option with an uncaring centralized service, like Twitter.
But here? Here it is just plain bullying. You don't do anything but bullying, because we have so many tools to make your place save!
Like I said, if you don't feel save on your instance, make your own or ask a friend to make one!
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Another option is to just look for a saver place?
Seriously, there are so many tools at your exposal, that using mob culture just turns into bullying.
Again, Wheaton is just the incident that ignited this. If he did bad or not is not what I criticize. I criticize what was done and not done, because we just have so much power here, that doing something like that is more than unnecessary.
Wheaton incident and Mastodon tools (~)
@maxinered From what I gathered without actually following it at all, the thing people were upset about was that a big name person used their platform to promote a blocklist that blanket blocks trans people, which I can certainly understand being upset by.
Wheaton incident and Mastodon tools (~)
@ulvra Yeah, I can understand why and the reason is valid. The result is also beneficial, probably. Not sure there.
The actions is what I am against, because you do that on Twitter, where you have no options, but I mentioned so many other solutions without harassing an instance admin, until they submit to your demands.
Wheaton incident and Mastodon tools (~)
@maxinered Mmhmm, I agree completely, my argument was just an addition to get people to also think for a moment about what it is they're getting upset about and whether it's worth it. In my eyes it's not, it might even be beneficial, so use those tools that moo mentioned if necessary and move along with life.
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@ulvra Pupper is right, thinking about your actions is the best options.
I suggest more to those who think and still think they need to do something. Then use those tools and be save again.
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@ulvra @maxinered I looked into it out of curiosity and from what I can tell the maintainer of that blocklist is dishonest about what it actually contains (advertised as "99.9% abusive MRAs and Gators") and that seems to be the real problem here, not any bad intent on Wheaton's part.
Wheaton incident and Mastodon tools (~)
@NovaSquirrel
@maxinered
Aye that's fair then. Blocklists have been found to have similar problems since they started to be a thing. I stopped using them myself because I could not trust them, but new and inexperienced people will still fall for the promises.
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@maxinered However... while that is certainly a shitty thing to do, anyone who would listen to his nonsense and blanket block a bunch of people without knowing anything about them, is that really people you'd want to interact with in the first place...? Sounds to me like they're doing us all a favour by removing themselves from our lives.