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OK, I have no words for this: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237
If your username doesn't match what Poettering expects usernames to be (and doesn't seem to be documented anywhere, but `[a-zA-Z]+` is *probably* safe?), then systemd will happily run your user services as root.
Reply: not-a-bug, don't use “invalid usernames”...
Paging @KitRedgrave, @mwlucas and @phessler for hilarity.
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@kellerfuchs @KitRedgrave@socially.constructed.space @mwlucas @phessler how would you recommend users avoid systemd? Switch to Devuan and be using even older software than Debian? Give up on GNU/Linux entirely and buy a Mac? Or should we just continue to watch in horror?
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@kellerfuchs thanks!
Huh, if Debian still fully supports sysvinit (and I can use e.g. Gnome as DE) then why does Devuan even exist?
I'm not what you'd call an advanced Linux user. For every non-mainstream choice, there is more complexity and bugs, and less support. Though I may gaze wistfully at it, BSD is even less mainstream than Linux and therefore not a good choice for me.
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@fallerOfFalls “if Debian still fully supports sysvinit [...] then why does Devuan even exist?”
Good question!
As far as I can tell, a lot of it was politics and hurt feelings and grandstanding during the whole init systems debacle.
I have to admit that, as a member of the Debian community, I don't think it was our best moment (and it pointed out some somewhat nasty flaws in decision-making processes, but also in de-escalation and conciliation ones.)
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@kellerfuchs ah, okay. Thank you. This is very helpful information. I may try switching to sysvinit on my already quite broken version of Debian stretch when it's time to reinstall 🤔
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@fallerOfFalls @kellerfuchs @KitRedgrave @phessler
You're asking a BSD guy how users should avoid systemd? You do know that kind of limits your possible responses, don't you?
But if you don't want to use BSD *or* systemd: fork Linux. Seriously.
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@fallerOfFalls Debian supports sysvinit perfectly fine ;)
Otherwise, there are a bunch of systemd-free distros (though I'm kinda suspicious of the ones whose only defining feature is “no systemd”), and there are also non-Linux alternatives!
(Most of my personal stuff runs FreeBSD, and I used to use OpenBSD a lot too)