music, and someone being wrong (and racist?)
You know... I used to be the kid who would "listen to anything that wasn't rap or country".
I deeply enjoy stuff that falls into both of those, hell, I did back then too. We all grow and change.
But like.
"Rap isn't singing" because it doesn't display pitch control like operatic singing???? That's like, if not directly racist, buying into some really racist opinions yeah?
This person is wrong, and like, they're supposedly getting better about... being not republican anymore. But oof. Just... oof. Not the first really racist/queerphobic thing he's said too :/
music, and someone being wrong (and racist?)
@Draekos ...oooph
music, and someone being wrong (and racist?)
@Draekos well, rap is not singing, fair, rap is rapping, a different form of music with it's own history and values, a very valid form of vocal music that's technically not singing, perhaps, but rap songs are song as much as instrumental songs are songs
re: music, and someone being wrong (and racist?)
@efi But like... that makes it singing.
re: music, and someone being wrong (and racist?)
@Draekos not for the first one, as rap has no "musical modulation", and for the second one, that'd separate improv from recorded, which feels even worse
at any rate, debating this is the first mistake, because holy shit nobody cares, it's music, you listen to it, it good, don't be a dick about what is or is not a song piece of shit white jerkasses rawr
re: music, and someone being wrong (and racist?)
@efi @Draekos
Rap does have modulation, it's just characteristically a flat modulation, except when it's not. But that's a stylistic choice. Rap is in the grey zone of discussion in theory, but because of the roots of its performance and the politics of the division between 'singing' and 'vocalization' I tend to favor breaking down the arbitrary delineation.
re: music, and someone being wrong (and racist?)
re: music, and someone being wrong (and racist?)
@Draekos
He really doesn't understand the connection between the legitimacy politics of rap and racism.
It's just not something that he even understands is a struggle, and to be fair we never presented that angle, which was a deliberate choice on my end anyway. I wanted to show the inconsistency in defining singing by working through the permutations of rap style that incorporate tonality (Dessa, Beastie Boys) and then open up to a discussion of the racial component once we had established the fuzziness of the line.
music, and someone being wrong (and racist?)
@Draekos
Eeeesh