politics, people having strange ideas about 

Apparently there's a whole movement of people who think that if you're a US citizen and you just say you don't want to be subject to US law, then you're not

where on *earth* would people get that idea?
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politics, people having strange ideas about 

@Felthry

the best analysis and dissection of this and its entire history is from a Canadian court case where someone tried to use SovCit defenses to a divorce proceeding - including (gibberish) references to American law. The judge delivered a 188-page decision that is worth reading in its entirety if you're fascinated by this kind of thing: canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012

(PDF link in the top right corner of the page is probably the most legible version)

re: politics, people having strange ideas about 

@kistaro why would someone ever think referencing US law in a Canadian court would do anything to help their case?
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re: politics, people having strange ideas about 

@Felthry @kistaro So-called "sovereign citizens" are quite often also involved in one or more conspiracy-focused communities, typically the sort that believe in the "secret world government" or "all government is illegal" variety of conspiracy.

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re: politics, people having strange ideas about 

@LexYeen @kistaro "all government is illegal"? that seems... wrong *by definition*, how does anyone think that???
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re: politics, people having strange ideas about 

@Felthry @kistaro I couldn't possibly hazard a guess, as I don't understand it either.

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@Felthry @LexYeen

There are two main branches:

1. people who explicitly refuse all governments they regard as wrought by humans and accept only religious law
2. people who believe that the founding documents of their nation have more judicial weight than literally everything the nation has done ever since, and their specific interpretation of those is the final say in what is "real law", which is roughly concordant with "the parts of the law they like, and things they wish were law"

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