@starseeker yeah but why was the phoenecian one in that order
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@Felthry nobody knows, pretty much
@Felthry Nobody really knows in detail. There's some bits that make sense (Roman alphabets didn't need the Greek Zeta, so dropped it, and then when they started using the letter again put it at the end; 'J' fit after 'I' because they used to be seen as the same letter) but overall, it's all "I dunno, we always did it this way".
This includes the idea that there should be *a* canonical alphabetical order; we don't know why the Phoenicians (or earlier) figured that was important.
@Felthry Generally listing stuff *by* alphabetical order, as opposed to importance or themes, or by partial order (eg, group all the A's together, but not bother ordering past that) is only a couple centuries old.
My recollection is that's tied to an Enlightenment ideal that everything should be treated by an impartial rule made to favor or disfavor nobody particularly.
@Felthry iirc, it basically boils down to "the Phonecian alphabet was in that order"