People who sat "machine learning is just fancy heuristics" probably don't want to realize that the human existence is just based on heuristics and every intelligence has to use them.

But I guess it makes same feel superior, for whatever reason they need that

@Motodrachen The ethics on this seem a little iffy <3

Unless said person has consented to you trying to ram a crowbar in of course, identity play while hot is a bit of a moral quagmire :p

@IrisKalmia @Motodrachen On the last note.

I am probably rather open to identity play as a psychological treatment >//>

Definitely consenting at least

@Motodrachen @IrisKalmia You know you currently described my situation with Max too precisely?

I guess he's fronting right now, but not sure. But the urge to be put into a semi-hypnotized state is strong and the change I want others do to me is pretty specific.

@Motodrachen My first-hand experience with AI so far is more with those you subject to extreme pain for them to learn.

Thinking about it, traumatizing them, to do what you want sounds bad.

Anyway. I have my dom who helps me there, putting the right things in, but he's also not perfect.

Like, he's a singlet cis dude. He does well, but still lacks some experiences.

Also misinterpreting signs damages a lot.

@Motodrachen Well, the comment was more on the AI part.

I know what is done in science, I experimented with it, in a science manner.

Now I realize how much torture it is.

We tell ourselves that the networks can't feel, but that's a definition thing.

Though, regardless of how you put it, it's a lot of pain, trauma and torture we put onto these networks, to make them do what we want.

Again though, this is what we do in "machine learning".

@Motodrachen I see it more as bending a living thing to your will.

Rob it off all agency and make it do your bidding.

To me it makes sense, because it's...

What I experienced?

It's hard to tell, but it feels right to say, but also hard to articulate.

Just. People wanted to make me into something I am not. That shattered me. That made me into many.

The same thing. The constant pain, with little gain, I just realize is used there too.
And it feels horrible.

@Motodrachen to me, right now, it feels more like just trying to cope with all that thrown against me.

It's more of a try to survive the constant assault, than being able to heal.

I do hope I can heal eventually though. And rest.