Taking a quick survey for a "friendly discussion" elsewhere:
If modern masculinity remained exactly the same, except that it totally abandoned the elements of degradation of women, bullying, abuse, and exploitation...
...and focused on, say, Doing Bold Physical Things Outdoors With Other Manly People, Cultivating A Masterful And Gentlemanly Mustachio, and Pugilizing Consensually With Other Likely Young Lads...
...would you be okay with it and drop all grievances against it?
(Let's also say for the sake of argument, for fear of biasing the poll base, that transmen and butch women are also genially encouraged to join in on these Manly Action Games as equals. As a far, far too generous concession to the opposition, let's even add a "but only if they can beat an XY member of the Manly Action Games Club in the sport of their choosing.")
@zebratron2084 oh well there y'go, then yeah, I'd be fine with that. XD
