i hope my anticapitalist friends don't hate me too much for my brazen materialistic indulgences
@typhlosion I'm a supposed anarcho-capitalist but I enjoy a lot owning stuff. I'm a pretty contradictory human being
@splatoon @typhlosion I really hate the very notion of money & capitalism in general. I just like my PC, my turntable, my vinyl records, my 3DS...
@Siphonay @splatoon @typhlosion Generally socialist/anarchist theory makes a distinction between PERSONAL property (that stuff you mentioned) and PRIVATE property (The stuff that folks can hold and use to enforce class distinctions, e.g. means of production, land)
@typhlosion @indi @splatoon Is a house a personnal property itself?
@Siphonay @typhlosion @splatoon See, this is where it gets complicated. As we can see, all the constructs around home ownership cause a whole mess of capitalist problems too, but yeah, people deserve a place that they can use for shelter and protection and expression.
@splatoon @typhlosion @Siphonay My thought (to be clear, here we're getting into Indi's semi-informed theories about stuff, and not any actual sourcing I can point to) is that that makes housing a 'public good' in the same sense as stuff like education and healthcare, where we need to figure out a way for communities to provide it for folks in a way that leaves everyone feeling fulfilled and no one lording it over someone else.
Yeah exactly, and as a recent house-buyer myself I've been thinking about this a lot.
(Now going EVEN FURTHER into "just Indi's own thoughts" land)
For me, part of what resolves this sort of conundrum is a spiritual perspective; I think of the "the land" not as something I have dominion over but instead as sort of an entity I'm working with, it's 'mine' in the same sense that someone is "my friend", I'm in relation with it and need to respect that.
@indi @Siphonay right, the paying for it really is just like -
it's not like i own the land in the sense that this physical patch of earth is now mine to inhabit, destroy, carry with me, etc. because that's weird
the owning really just means i can do stuff there and ostensibly get some kind of claim to it if other arbitrary people try to do stuff with it against my will, if that makes sense
ownership is a social construct wait no i swear i'm not anticapitalist