@typhlosion @pup_hime @Draekos @irisjaycomics @lunalapin I have a complicated relationship with WoD. It was very, very formative to my learning-who-I-really-am years, but it is deeply problematic, especially about indigenous people, queer people, really most minorities, and while crunchy AF it's not a well-thought-out crunch. It's like...what if you made PbtA/BitD but decided there wasn't enough dice rolling. It's messy and unbalanced.

I'm not going to go off, especially with all those @ s above, but I can if it's desired. There is so much in the setting to love, so many glimpses of versions of things that could be so good, so fascinating, but it is ultimately written from a perspective of extreme privilege and very damaging stereotyping. It has had a non-negligible influence on reactionary ideology in game spaces. It's...it's complicated. Still, Mage; the Ascension and Werewolf; the Apocalypse and Changeling; the Dreaming are some of my favorite settings of any TTRPG.