@CorvusRobotica Seriously, Scandinavia has all the really good noir these days...
@zebratron2084 I honestly want recommendations and reasons cause I just do not like scandi crime for its weird grimness
@CorvusRobotica I'm thinking more TV and film than novels, but I really enjoyed The Bridge and The Killing... But I might have conventional tastes and an unusually high tolerance for copaganda/procedural dramas. Plus the fact that par in America is utter garbage like NCIS. :)
@zebratron2084 that is fair!
@CorvusRobotica And I think the reason is just that it's so much more thematically rich than most American noir, there's usually some undercurrent of politics or social issues and not just a "whodunit" about the Stigmatized But Fascinating Outsider Group Du Jour. It reminds me pleasantly of old Columbo episodes-- it's not about the crime, which is frequently laid straight out for us all, it's about the people involved.
@CorvusRobotica YES. The more off-kilter from real world causality a neo-noir is, the more I like it. Like, Inherent Vice (both the novel and film) is my perfect noir. Same with The Long Goodbye, or the Fargo TV series. David Lynch too, of course. Ideally, Noir is NOT about worlds that make existential sense. :)
This is also making me wonder if I should go pick up some Janwillem Van De Wetering detective stories and see how they've aged -- I was obsessed with them when I was a teenager.