i've gotten into watching videos explaining stuff about the meta of super smash bros and they keep using terms we don't understand and why is there all this jargon
@monorail you know stuff about fighting games can you give me some kind of resource about terminology or something
@Felthry https://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki:Glossary this is pretty good, but if you're wondering about anything specific i can probably help
@monorail this doesn't include the one that I was most curious about--I've seen several moves called "a gentleman" (e.g. "toon link's jab ends in a gentleman") and I don't know what that means
@Felthry this is a really weird one that i actually had to look up to be 100% sure
some characters have a jab that can be optionally continued into a rapid flurry of attacks, and if you choose to not do that, the final hit is called a gentleman
i also do not know why it's called taht
@monorail another question, what's a cross-up?
@Felthry in smash? because i know what a crossup is but the definition i know doesn't make sense in smash
@monorail that actually does make sense in this context then sort of (it was talking about how bayonetta's smash attacks are bad at hitting behind her)
@Felthry i see
A cross-up is the act of timing an attack (typically a dash attack or aerial) such that the user moves past the opponent and ends up behind them once the hitboxes are gone.
similar idea, i guess
@monorail also do you know what "2-frame" as a verb means?
@Felthry would depend on context, but my guess is "do something that will only work for a specific 30th of a second"
like if you have a 2 frame window to punish something, doing so might be referred to as "2-framing"?
@monorail well there've been a number of moves where one of the comments was "it 2-frames"
@Felthry hmmmmmm in that case maybe "it only gives them two frames to punish" or something? like it's relatively safe because they can't possibly react in time, they'd have to predict it? but again, not sure
@Felthry oh! no, i'm completely wrong
@Felthry i assume this is a smash ultimate video?
if a move 2-frames, it means that it can hit a character who's currently in the two frames of vulnerability at the beginning of their ledge grab
@monorail yes, it's about smash ultimate
@monorail why are these terms so arcane
@Felthry probably because there's a scarcity of guides out there aimed at brand new players, even newbie stuff tends to assume you're alrighty familiar with the scene
tbh, as far as arcane terms go, 2-frames isn't that bad
@monorail someone should make such a guide
@Felthry you aren't wrong
@Felthry in traditional 2d fighting games, you block by holding away from your opponent. so if you're on their left, you block by holding left. if your opponent jumps and does an aerial attack, it can be hard to tell which side of you they're on when the attack hits. so if i'm on someone's left, holding left, they jump attack me and just barely hit me from the left while i'm still holding that way, that means their crossup hit me