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does any other game than skyward sword have a speedrun that involves using glitches to mess with the way the game saves and loads data?
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@IceWolf i told you about the back in time glitch, right? and how it completely breaks skyward sword wide open? It's because it lets you mess with saving and loading files while you run around on the title screen
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@Felthry Yeah you did, but you didn't mention that, /huh!/

@IceWolf the speedrun is really wild to watch

also the low% speedrun is amusing in that it spends more time on the title screen than in the actual game, but other than that interesting bit it's horribly tedious because you're doing the same exact thing over and over again
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unsolicited, but here's an explainer vid that explains how it actually works (YouTube link) 

@Felthry I believe Ori and the Blind Forest does. There's a lot of weirdness with saving and loading games in the One Life run.

@Felthry I recall that in quicksave/quickload could cause position displacement which was useful in Portal speedruns.

@starkatt I forgot about quicksaves entirely, I think a lot of games have problems with those!
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@Felthry @starkatt Pokemon Red and Blue also have a TAS (possibly also an Any%) speedrun that requires direct memory editing through shop use

@lorxus @starkatt yeah, but i'm thinking about specifically messing with the saving and loading process
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@Felthry

I assume you mean besides other zelda games that share the back in time glitch?

@Tryn skyward sword is the only one where you can save and load files while doing bit; entering the file select screen cancels the glitch on ww and tp

plus, it's not useful in any speedrun categories for wind waker because the bit dummy file has no items. it skips a little of tp because you can use the dummy file's sword and shield (and ability to call epona), but that's still just saving the game normally, not messing with the save/load process
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@Felthry

Huh I thought at least in twilight princess there were some flags or something you could transfer to other save files. Maybe I'm misremembering how that works.

@Tryn skyward sword transfers flags between files with wild abandon, maybe that's what your'e thinking of?
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@Tryn iwrc an old low% route actually required beating the game twice because you needed to get one file to the final boss so you could transfer the flag that the door to the final boss is open to another file
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@Felthry

Ah I found the video I remember seeing on the subject. I was thinking of the transfer of the boss flag but that just happens with resetting the game from within back in time, not from any saving/loading shenanigans.

@nautilee ah good point, any% uses that (we forget that any% exists because no one ever runs it, hah. any%nsc is the common one)
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