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hot take frame perfect tricks, rediculous walljump speed boost chains, and nonsense like double shinesparks shouldn't be required to 100% a game. -N

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like I know there's no 100% reward but also so many of these puzzles hide e-tanks and an even larger portion you can't even see the reward until you get it which is an extra layer of BS.

and a single E-tank can make the difference between being creamed by a boss over and over and managing to buy enough time to finish it off or get a counter.

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@nautilee The E-tank complaint is a valid one but I'm not sure I agree that the 100% completion should not require extremely difficult tricks

I don't know, you don't HAVE to do 100%, the whole point of it is being an extra challenge and you can choose whether to bother with it or not, I think

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@socks

speedrunning tricks should only be required for *speed*.

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@nautilee Yeah. But... it's not a speedrunning trick.

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@socks

frame-perfect tricks? double shinesparks, which might as well be frame perfect?

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@socks

Like, it's an incredibly high skill trick that is *literally* impossible for semi-disabled casual players like us. Whether it's technically a "speedrunning" trick is immaterial considering it requires the same skill as.

Completion shouldn't be locked behind such high skill tricks no matter what you call them or decide to nitpick us calling them.

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@nautilee That's my point though, I don't understand why it shouldn't. Completing the game, yes, but going for 100%? Why is it wrong for that to be more demanding?

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@socks @nautilee I think there's a distinction to be drawn between "more demanding" and "so demanding that it's exclusionary to disabled people who want to 100% the game"
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@socks @nautilee the whole thing is a rather difficult thing in general though--it'd be nice if there were difficulty settings on more things
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@Felthry @nautilee I see. I didn't realize it was THAT bad for disabled people. That really sucks in that case

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@socks @Felthry

hi yes frame perfect timings are literally impossible for me why do you think I'm complaining?

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@nautilee I don't think there's anything literally frame-perfect, I could do it and I'm not very good at precise stuff, so I thought it was an exaggeration

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@socks

I'm pretty sure at least one of these is no more than two or three frames worth of leeway on getting enough speed to boost and then store the spark before hitting a wall.

might be an alternate way to do it? but requires jumping up a shaft with slopes that I think preclude holding boost speed?

also the double shinespark is absolute bullshit. like we've got partners that speedrun metroids and *they* thought that was bullshit to lock 100% behind.

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@nautilee I see. Well, I apologize then, I clearly wasn't remembering right. Sorry

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@socks

tbh the worst thing about that trick is it *looks* like you should be able to just, get boost and slide under a wall? but if that *is* possible the timing was impossible not only for us but for our actually good at metroid gf so like...

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@socks @nautilee it feels like dread really amped up the difficulty on some shinespark tricks over the previous games, and the only one that remotely compares is the one in fusion that only gets you the easter egg cutscene, nothing required for 100% completion -F

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@Felthry @socks @nautilee 2D Metroid in general seems to have bought more and more into its hardcore niche due to Super Metroid taking off as one of like, the first big speedrun games, so they keep making its hardest tricks more and more extreme to appeal to a perfection-seeking crowd.

I thought they had it good with Fusion where the truly ridiculous trick was just for an easter egg that bears some prestige, not actual completion.

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