question about non-current politics(?) stuff
i know i asked this at some point before but our memory is bad, could someone explain what exactly a "sovereign citizen" is and why people say that as though it means laws don't apply to them
we saw mention of it again and i don't remember what we were told about it before but it feels like we're going to just get a whole lot of nonsense/garbage if we search it
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question about non-current politics(?) stuff
@Felthry There's a lot of conspiracy theories and fake get rich quick schemes and thought leaders who claim "just use this strategy and it works I swear" while selling books of nonsense for hundreds of dollars.
And the further you dig into it the more tiring it gets. Don't.
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@Cauda yeah that last bit is why i asked on here instaed of searching it
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@Felthry Very fair.
But yeah a lot of it is just flat out they don't want to pay taxes or have the government enforce laws against them in any way and often will get violent about that belief.
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@Felthry we went poking around on Wikipedia and apparently the Southern Poverty Law Center has a big article on the movement https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement
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@packbat what the actual fuck
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@Felthry conspiracy theories have a way of being absolutely wild nonsense, and sovcits really go all in on that
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question about non-current politics(?) stuff
@Felthry I don't know that there's a formal definition & it's not a real, legally recognized thing someone can be — but I think the idea is someone essentially taking the stance that they're as individually sovereign and independent as any nation, & in particular aren't subject to the laws of whichever other, lesser, made-up nation everyone else says controls the land they're standing on. I think it's mainly a US thing?
question about non-current politics(?) stuff
@Felthry weird libertarian US fringe ideology that thinks that if you engage with systems of law using specific (wrong) textual interpretations, you basically get cheat codes to do whatever you want.
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@starkatt @lioness we were linked an SPLC article about the movement and the only reaction we can think of is "what the actual fuck"
it's apparently all rooted in white supremacy (because of course it is) and conspiracy theories about the US government having been secretly replaced with another government in 1933 (?????)
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question about non-current politics(?) stuff
@Felthry I can't give the exact things because they are A Thing™
Generally Sovereign Citizens (AKA SovCits) believe that they are bound to laws according to their religion (most the time) and what they formally recognise.
Generally this boils down to "doesn't recognise the laws of the state" alongside taxation laws.
question about non-current politics(?) stuff
@Felthry It's not something I would advise looking in to as even most legal professionals don't want to unless it's particularly whacky to something they have interest in specifically
question about non-current politics(?) stuff
@Felthry One thing I do know is generally they like to use the colour red for ink in place of blood, sometimes. Sometimes they will just sign a thing off with blood instead of a blood proxy!
Because they believe blood binds a contract that is higher than a state (referring to all forms of government)'s laws.
question about non-current politics(?) stuff
@Felthry They're basically people who believe all sorts of nonsense about legal systems that boils down to "if I do this arcane and wacky thing, laws don't apply to me".