the postgame puzzles in patrick's parabox are so much harder than the pre-credits ones

i don't even know where to begin on inner push 5
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(i would appreciate a hint as to where to begin, but no answers)
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@Felthry Take a look at the level and the blocks you have available, and try to imagine what the finished state would look like.

Exactly one of the things in that finished state is difficult to do, the rest is easy.

@socks I'm imagining that the finished state has the box you're initially controlling on one square, the 5x5 empty box on the other, and an H shape of walls in that other room with the middle wall being the controllable one, right?

The thing is, we can't figure out how to get the 5x5 grid off the wall.
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@Felthry I believe the one that you're initially controlling is a wall tile, right? So if it's sitting on one of the squares, that's not a solution

@socks i think you're initially controlling a red square? but it's obvious that you have to immediately switch to the wall

either way the controllable red square is what i meant
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@Felthry Yes okay

So yeah, that seems like a plausible finished state, so your next objective should be to get the blue 5x5 off the wall

Now, this would normally be impossible, but you're in "Inner push", right? If you're at 5, that means you already know how it works, so. How does it work?

@socks right. i can get it off the wall, but the problem is that getting both the red square and the controllable wall *out* of the 5x5 requires pushing it up against a wall, unless there's something we're just completely missing
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@Felthry Okay! So you're further in than I thought. You're certainly not stuck before knowing how to get started, you've gotten to the actual puzzle

If you think you could use any more hints, let me know

@socks yeah i think i could, because where we are now is what i meant by getting started--nothing up to that point felt like actual puzzle i suppose, it felt like obvious ways of moving things around
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@Felthry Okay, so.

What you have to do is get to a state where the red square, the wall and the blue 5x5 are all out and not up against any walls.

"like if you put the controllable wall in there to allow for an inner push, you can't control the wall again until it's up against the outer wall again, right?" This is true, so maybe you need to find a wall where that's not a problem.