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thoughts about pick up artists, misogyny 

After reading an article about Incels, I'm thinking that a lot of people - probably including some pickup artists - wanted to think of the whole PUA deal as practically innocent.

"Hey, let's try and get laid, no consequences" theoretically encompasses "and if it doesn't work, that's okay too; you can't always 'win.'" But when you throw sort of callous dismissal of others as mere goals, into competitive culture (see gamers) and misogyny it gets ugly fast.

thoughts about pick up artists, misogyny 

The real catch is that if winning competitions justify your worth (rather than your win condition being playing), it will eat the joy out of your "game." Everyone loses sooner or later when someone is more experienced/skilled or simply luckier. Goes for anything; fencing, D&D, getting laid, surviving in late capitalism.

But our society is TERRIBLE about winning competitions determining value and uh, when that gets applied to sex it wrecks or ends lives.

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