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* any Werewolf the Apocalypse game if played in certain ways is effectively indistinguishable from Shadowrun

* any high energy Juno Reactor track is effectively indistinguishable from the part of Cirque du Soleil where all the cast is running across the stage/rolling across in big hoops/etc

Werewolf rambling 

@Leucrotta nearly irrelevant but ever since 2e came out for it I've been appreciating Forsaken more and more for basically that reason

there's a core "let's go be ecoterrorists" premise missing in Forsaken that I wish was there, but at the end of the day Garou society is fucked beyond my ability to save it and Forsaken 2e has more or less realized, oh wait hold up hold on, the best part of Werewolf is *turning into a giant monster and wrecking shit* followed by *feeling like that means you've accomplished something*

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