I'm going to take one, just later
🐆: stinky puppy
I am watching Farya Faraji's video on neo Viking music (you may remember him from the orientalist music essay I linked a while back)
and he talks about the way that these neopagans that particularly identify with this music almost seem engaged in something very similar to what I was criticizing Communing with the Ancestors about, namely in an attempt to escape Western Christian hegemony just simply moving to a new type of Western chauvinism with some elements replaced
but a bit different...
I criticized Gramassi for dragging me back to the Greeks and other Western touch points even as he was attempting to be cross-cultural
with these neo-viking fans it's more a case of picking and choosing from other places' indigenous cultures and attaching them to the Norse to create a false image of Christianity and European "indigenous" culture being wholly separate
but as Faraji points out, Western Christianity was incredibly syncretic
I mean look at the days of the week!
look at the neo-classical architecture going back to Greece and Rome you can find everywhere and often in explicitly Christian setting like Vatican City
and I think Faraji makes a great point that lumping all of these various religions and mythologies as "pagan" is itself a result of Christianity
I find myself sometimes thinking I'm trying to find a shared pre-Christian indigenous religion, but I also know that is not the case except perhaps because at the least we can all share in being weird bald apes on this 3rd rock from the sun
and that's not really what I think we need
we need at accept that there are many ways that even among weird bald apes (or at least those who look like them) on planet Earth can come to relate to it
and that's fine
I'm so glad honestly I find points of disagreement and places where I don't quite like Faraji's tone.
Not because at the end I highly disagree with his points, but it makes me feel at least accepting that I am not going into this with incredulity.
Of the particular topic of cultural appropriation, I fucking agree that for the most part attribution and honesty is the big thing
but that's different from "you shouldn't have to ask permission"
not all cultural products are meant to be sharable with others
especially with a group so ravenous and irreverent as many white people are
without the power differential of colonization this more liberal (to cultural exchange) view makes more sense, but as a black person... no
as he points out in his video, people will literally steal something and then say they invented it and the originators are the ones that stole it
but I think this is a case where though I have nitpicks and slight disagreements while I can very much agree on the basic problems and idea that there is a level of honest cultural exchange that can be separated from cultural appropriation.
I also hate the "black Cleopatra" myth exactly because I think eclipses the actual culture of West Africa to instead cosplay as a culture white people find more admirable... especially in the particularity of a Hellenic colonizer of Egypt!
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@chimerror okay SO various pagan communities at Pantheacon hit this a lot (Celtic especially for whatever reason); it's important to acknowledge that if you're upholding the ways of your pre-Abrahamic ancestors, to some extent you are making stuff up based on, hopefully, reasonable guesses (UPG = unsupported personal gnosis). Something humans do is constantly invent new religions and it's important here to state that just because something is not literally documented doesn't mean it can't have relevance and utility as a loosely-inspired thing now. That said it's a be-careful type thing. And there was gonna be more but eh...
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@Leucrotta no I think that's the same thing I agree with. It's completely OK to admit that it's something new.
I'm sure that like blues and the jazz has ties to traditional African music, but it doesn't need to _be_ traditional African music to be worthy of respect, and in fact the newness of it is part of why it has so become a part of American culture and then worldwide culture