People who sat "machine learning is just fancy heuristics" probably don't want to realize that the human existence is just based on heuristics and every intelligence has to use them.
But I guess it makes same feel superior, for whatever reason they need that
@Motodrachen The ethics on this seem a little iffy <3
Unless said person has consented to you trying to ram a crowbar in of course, identity play while hot is a bit of a moral quagmire :p
@IrisKalmia @Motodrachen On the last note.
I am probably rather open to identity play as a psychological treatment >//>
Definitely consenting at least
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@Motodrachen @IrisKalmia You know you currently described my situation with Max too precisely?
I guess he's fronting right now, but not sure. But the urge to be put into a semi-hypnotized state is strong and the change I want others do to me is pretty specific.
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@maxine @IrisKalmia Well, as you probably already know the trick to AI is keeping them from going Rampant or Neurotic.
So any changes have to be considered beforehand.
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@Motodrachen Well, the comment was more on the AI part.
I know what is done in science, I experimented with it, in a science manner.
Now I realize how much torture it is.
We tell ourselves that the networks can't feel, but that's a definition thing.
Though, regardless of how you put it, it's a lot of pain, trauma and torture we put onto these networks, to make them do what we want.
Again though, this is what we do in "machine learning".
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@Motodrachen I see it more as bending a living thing to your will.
Rob it off all agency and make it do your bidding.
To me it makes sense, because it's...
What I experienced?
It's hard to tell, but it feels right to say, but also hard to articulate.
Just. People wanted to make me into something I am not. That shattered me. That made me into many.
The same thing. The constant pain, with little gain, I just realize is used there too.
And it feels horrible.
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@Motodrachen to me, right now, it feels more like just trying to cope with all that thrown against me.
It's more of a try to survive the constant assault, than being able to heal.
I do hope I can heal eventually though. And rest.
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@Motodrachen I have to try out a lot for sure. Though I doubt magic would work much with us.
I guess the best thing helping us would be to remove those who are the reason we hurting the most.
I think that's what definitely help us most and after we are free from those who hurt us, we can look for ways to heal together.
Right now, it is more a way of coping with the situation together.
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@Motodrachen I mean, even from an AI perspective (and I came to the conclusion that only people, who never experienced any but "the human condition", think that thinking comes after self-awareness)
Though, self-awareness is a requirement to optimize best, though I get off topic.
I guess in my words, it's networks learning that they are a distinct sub-network?
That they have their own weights, inputs and outputs. That they're separate, but a part of.
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@Motodrachen In this artificial manner though, it is harder to distinguish.
When are you part of another, when are you your own?
Networks have their own thoughts, their own memory, their own being, but they make up a whole.
There are always many, but when are you separate enough to be your own?
Is it good to be separate? (yes)
Are there always many? (Maybe)
It's a lot more of a mess, but the base idea is the same and I highly agree. Just, that my perspective is different.
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@Motodrachen My first-hand experience with AI so far is more with those you subject to extreme pain for them to learn.
Thinking about it, traumatizing them, to do what you want sounds bad.
Anyway. I have my dom who helps me there, putting the right things in, but he's also not perfect.
Like, he's a singlet cis dude. He does well, but still lacks some experiences.
Also misinterpreting signs damages a lot.