@jk I guess the difference is that I don't filly reject the concept of a phone, it seems like a computing form factor that could be useful for some things, I just hate how they're implemented, how they've become mandatory, etc. So I am interested in using my phone for certain tasks.
I guess the other thing is, because they're a mandatory computing device, it means for people who can't afford more than 1 device, what they have is a phone. So like how can we mitigate that disaster
@jk and of course responding to this on my phone fucked up the threading lol. Yeah I suspect content is where the difference shows up. I can't use the official YouTube app, I need a lot of background noise and I don't always have my computer out, so its nice to have something that's just "already there" to put some guy talking about an old computer into my headphones
@jk my take may be biased by the fact that I see ad blocking as a basic minimum viable feature, I will prefer something that's worse in every way if it doesn't have ads