@typhlosion One thing that helps in all this kind of thought is to remember that "capitalism", as actually defined by economists, isn't "owning stuff", it's "owning stuff for the sake of making profits" ;)
@typhlosion @starryblush@witches.town Yeah one of the most baffling things to me about all the income inequality stuff is like "what the fuck are they DOING with all that money?" Because it doe sometimes feel like folks are just treating it as a high-score game.
@starryblush@witches.town @typhlosion (But as someone who is very good at spinning into self-referential anxiety, I know that can be tricky too. c.c)
@typhlosion @starryblush@witches.town I think a good part of "the line" is that you just keep thinking about that :)
@starryblush@witches.town @typhlosion Yeah, this is the "positive" side of "no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism" I suppose; we all do what we need to to keep on keeping on, just try to do your best with it.
@typhlosion @Siphonay Yeah, land ownership is sorta one of the Big Hard Problems in anti-capitalist theory, where trying to go from theory to practice basically requires reconfiguring the entire world all at once.
But it's still helpful to think about the theory, because it can help to avoid being a capitalist asshat, and more importantly try to mitigate the damage of other capitalist asshats, in the places where you can.
@splatoon @typhlosion @Siphonay A lot of the land-ownership stuff that raises ire in anti-capitalist circles isn't "I have a homestead and I raise crops for myself there", it's "I buy up houses so I can rent them out on AirBnB" (Just as a couple of extreme examples)
@Siphonay @typhlosion @splatoon Yeah, personal space is a basic need, in the same way that food and water is, y'know? The trick I suppose is figuring out how much someone NEEDS rather than just... stockpiling it?
Yeah exactly, and as a recent house-buyer myself I've been thinking about this a lot.
(Now going EVEN FURTHER into "just Indi's own thoughts" land)
For me, part of what resolves this sort of conundrum is a spiritual perspective; I think of the "the land" not as something I have dominion over but instead as sort of an entity I'm working with, it's 'mine' in the same sense that someone is "my friend", I'm in relation with it and need to respect that.
@splatoon @typhlosion @Siphonay My thought (to be clear, here we're getting into Indi's semi-informed theories about stuff, and not any actual sourcing I can point to) is that that makes housing a 'public good' in the same sense as stuff like education and healthcare, where we need to figure out a way for communities to provide it for folks in a way that leaves everyone feeling fulfilled and no one lording it over someone else.
@Siphonay @typhlosion @splatoon See, this is where it gets complicated. As we can see, all the constructs around home ownership cause a whole mess of capitalist problems too, but yeah, people deserve a place that they can use for shelter and protection and expression.
@typhlosion @splatoon @Siphonay h/t to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_property#Personal_versus_private_property for helping me get my terms right. I hope. c.c;
@Siphonay @splatoon @typhlosion Generally socialist/anarchist theory makes a distinction between PERSONAL property (that stuff you mentioned) and PRIVATE property (The stuff that folks can hold and use to enforce class distinctions, e.g. means of production, land)
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@typhlosion That's gonna be the name of your VN I hope. :)
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