@tom not if you industry has a poor track record regarding standards, no

@kyra and that's why i'm blaming a single standard. it's not even a real standard, just a vague suggestion of how an OEM might wanna do things if they felt like it. maybe.

@tom for being by far the most reliant on strict adherence to standards, consumer electronics is really bad at it.
capitalism works thought right

@kyra oh yeah it's great i love it :)

@tom by reliant I mean you have to have standards for literally any of this to work ever

@kyra to be fair, USB is one of the worst offenders with this tbh, especially with all the additions OEMs made that have nothing to do with the spec

@kyra and USB-C is even worse because it's tacking even MORE stuff onto it and nobody adheres to the guidelines so we have shit like usb-c audio dongles that only work on half your devices because nobody ever thought about specifying whether it should do analog audio out and whatnot and aaaaaaaaaa i just hate it so much

@tom my laptop's usb C has a HDMI adapter. it might work with other HDMI adapters, but you'll just have to find out which ones c;

@tom (if any, other than the included one which sucks)

@kyra also if you get a HDMI dongle it's ON YOU to find the right one that does everything you want (like 4k or whatever) because that's obviously so much better than just having a port on your computer that does one thing and one thing well

@tom the fun thing is standards make everything cheaper and easier for everyone, so this is just OEMs being shite because they can

@kyra i mean it's good business for them because they'll all sell you dongles that are guaranteed to worth with their stuff too

@tom I mean companies do that even when it's a standard thing. half the time when they have some stupid £80 proprietary dongle they stop selling it after 3 months, which I'm sure is very profitable for them

@kyra oh yeah definitely, I'm just saying it's definitely a Good Capitalism Move for companies lol

@tom @kyra I thought USB-C was a great idea right up until I read what those USB-C to analog audio adapters actually *do* (they short two contacts, which causes the USB controller to literally just shut off and connect directly to the sound card and run line out over an arbitrary choice of 3 contacts that normally carry digital signals) and that is when I realized just how horrible USB-C has become in order to do Everything™

@someonetellmetosleep @kyra jkfhgsdfkgsdlkf They WHAT

@someonetellmetosleep @kyra that's even worse than I would have assumed oh my god

@tom @kyra ikr? There's a perfectly good USB HID Audio spec that's existed for decades but they wanted ultra-cheap passive adapters once phone OEMs decided to remove their 3.5mm jacks and that's what they came up with

@someonetellmetosleep @tom @kyra ok the actuayl fuck???

@it_wasnt_arson @someonetellmetosleep @tom that's right: OEMs replaced a feature with something worse in every way for almost no reason

@kyra so, especially as a non-techy user, you'll go buy all the dongles you need from apple, huawei, google or whomever instead of opting for cheaper but maybe incompatible 3rd party options