also characters don't really need to be deep in fiction, they just have to serve the narrative. the Joker can absolutely be compelling as a random crisis generator for hypermethodical batman

the joker should just make Sierra adventure game puzzles in real life; which is to say create problems that are hideously contrived and can only be solved in hideously contrived ways, but because he operates in a physical reality the weird contrived nonsense he sets up always kills at least a dozen people

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I call them puzzles for clarity, not as an accurate descriptor of what they are. The riddler does actual puzzles

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I want batman to hear about a crime, find that it's just a riddler thing and sigh with relief because at least its deterministic

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