@Azure @green @Elizafox That all assumes that the other party in the discussion is willing to respect the constitutional process, and the issue at paw is that we're seeing that they don't. Hell, many people on "our team" don't either, but the problem is egregious on the nihilistic right, and opening the door to constitutional reform is likely to make things worse, not better. And this assumes we're even talking about being able to get reforms through our broken system.

@Elizafox @green @Azure The deeper problem is that America's voting system is flawed up one side and down the other, and no amount of incremental reform can rectify some of the foundational problems in how America picks its leaders. No amount of voting for a lesser evil is going to produce a greater good -- see the constant complaints about third-party spoilers -- and neither party in power is particularly inclined to embrace real systemic reform.

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