@Azure @Elizafox @green That's the language of hostage negotiations. "Stay or your friends will suffer." Please consider future word choices very carefully.

@green @Elizafox @Azure Under that thinking, we should never fight anything ever on the grounds that it could always be worse, that we should be grateful for any crumb of respect we ever get, and that to push for more is to put more-vulnerable people at risk. I cannot accept that argument or its moral precepts.

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