Taking a quick survey for a "friendly discussion" elsewhere:
If modern masculinity remained exactly the same, except that it totally abandoned the elements of degradation of women, bullying, abuse, and exploitation...
...and focused on, say, Doing Bold Physical Things Outdoors With Other Manly People, Cultivating A Masterful And Gentlemanly Mustachio, and Pugilizing Consensually With Other Likely Young Lads...
...would you be okay with it and drop all grievances against it?
@mawr Thought you might appreciate that one, mawr. <3 Been listening to a fuckton of Aunt Eddie Izzard lately, and I think of you and my handful of other outdoorsy friends every time I hear them talk about "running jumping climbing trees." :D