@whitequark @mcc isn't Telegram's e2e also entirely homegrown and not audited

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@whitequark @mcc I mean it's probably better than nothing, which is what I'm using currently (in Telegram, for all it's failings at least it has a goddamn desktop app)

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@whitequark @mcc @noiob Telegram's a complicated one for this:

- Global servers for most users

- all EU users use servers in NL due to GDPR

- Legal registration is in the Virgin Islands, so British territory

- Operational headquarters in UAE

- Russian-born founders

- One founder lives in St Kitts & Nevis which is British territory (King Charles is head of state)

- The other founder lives in the UAE and also holds French citizenship

@mcc @whitequark @noiob afaik they've never specifically said where, but the gist seems to be "distributed geographically across the world"

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