@LottieVixen energy can't be destroyed, just converted to a less useful form of energy (scientists say that the entropy of the system rises)

@noiob I knew it couldn't be destroyed I just...never put the two together about what it means to use energy...

so using it is just turning it into heat or something that can't easily be used again as electricity

@LottieVixen yes! and that's happening all the time and can't be reversed, to convert energy into a more "useful" form you have to expend more energy, the entropy of the universe can only go up

@noiob consumption of electricity is just,in this case turning it into heat..ok

back to the other half of the original point now that's down.

I had no idea how much heat 650w made (uses less or whatever, doesn't matter really)

the amount of heat generated surprised me

@LottieVixen yeah 650 W is quite a bit of heat, that's a microwave on medium low

@noiob again this is unimaginable like the water example commonly used

also microwaves vary in power so medium low across them means different things

@LottieVixen well, microwaves have their wattage specified usually so that's why I used it at an example bc light bulbs don't heat up that much anymore

@noiob specified wattage though combined with medium low is just...

medium low on what wattage microwave and how would one feel the heat.. mew. sorry

just water definition is good from a numbers perspective just not for getting a feel for it

@LottieVixen idk it'll heat up food pretty quickly

@noiob I'm sorry my issue was with abstraction and you abstracted further from it adding more variables

@LottieVixen yeah I get that, sorry

@noiob mew...thank you and sorry I got mildly upset at further abstraction

@noiob the way I thought it worked was you put energy in, it does work but some is wasted as heat..

@LottieVixen the electrical energy does work (not even real work in the physics sense) while turning into heat