@dickmandrake I feel like it's a trade-off between difficulty and realism, because 100% realistic stealth gameplay will rarely feel fair. I haven't played them lately but I wanna say Dishonored and the Metal Gear do a pretty great job of making gameplay fun while also making a compelling stealth game. Still, DH hast the issue of the violent route being more fun and easier, but it's still very rewarding to finish off a successful stealth segment (and there's the low/high chaos mechanic)