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@mawr @literorrery Not regardless of context. In contexts where it should have been clear that consent was compromised.

What I was saying in the OP is that ignoring context isn't okay.

@literorrery I feel like we might be talking about different things here. You're framing this as, like, arbitrarily withdrawing consent retroactively, when I'm talking about situations that negate the ability to give genuine consent in the first place. And I feel like if you can't recognize those, then there's a deeper problem and yeah maybe worry about it *is* justified until the underlying mechanics are understood.

@literorrery @mawr Someone who gets hurt doesn't exactly have the luxury of consciously choosing how bad the hurt is though.

Like, sometimes there genuinely is no net. There doesn't have to be malice for someone to be hurt catastrophically badly. It's okay to think forgiveness is often a good thing (I think it is), but this feels a lot more like demanding forgiveness?

@mawr @literorrery It's possible to both trust a yes and be mindful of the established context though.

@literorrery @mawr And the fear that ultimately we can't separate bad actors from good doesn't mean that we should just throw up our hands and write it off as unknowable every time.

@mawr @literorrery Regardless of how much it sucks, these are real problems we have to deal with.

@literorrery @mawr So I finally figured out the core of what's bothering me about this.

It's fine and necessary to say "this kind of thing is really complicated, and must be approached with nuance, patience, and understanding." But this (and a couple other posts) feel a lot more like "this problem is hard and scary so I'll try to only superficially engage in the hopes that I don't do something Wrong."

@fae@witches.town Oh, I have absolutely no reason to think that consciousness can't be experienced by a machine!

A cool thing about being a fox is having extant cultural role models for everything from "bouncy carefree woodland creatures" to "enigmatic metaphysical beings".

@shoofle Yep :)

@fae@witches.town Unpersuasive in which direction?

@fae@witches.town What do you mean?

@Aradia@mastodon.social Maybe I should get it?

@fae@witches.town this is, so far, only a hypothetical conversation :p

People like to ask "what makes you think that x is conscious?"

My reply is: "what makes you think that *you* are?"

@nire@witches.town yeah "us, the collective inside this body" is a whole other thing too!

@nire@witches.town I'm going to bed. Thank you :)

@nire@witches.town I have nothing to do tomorrow.

...is it a bad idea even, though?