@indi @vahnj @daggertooth
MUF doesn't sound too irritating tbh

@daggertooth @vahnj @indi then again, I kind of actively want to learn forth, so 🤷

@a_breakin_glass

There's stuff I like about MUF actually. I like how stack-based languages can easily be worked through in the head/on paper, and debugged via a simple trace of the stack.

The real problem is that your dev environment is "line editor over telnet" ;)

@indi is the development environment the fault of the language or the ecosystem?

@a_breakin_glass Oh yeah, sorry for not making it clear, it is definitely the ecosystem that is the problem.

(That being said if I was redoing it now, I'd sill use a language that has broader awareness and better tooling. :))

@indi @a_breakin_glass there have been multiple attempts to make less painful editing environments, IIRC, but they tend to each only work with one particular mu* client.