SAP
It's taken me a while to learn enough to feel confident in holding this opinion, but:
SAP is REAL FUCKEN BAD.
Base SAP is kind of like buying an empty server rack with no doors, and you have to buy every component that you stick in that server rack-- but even after you buy the component, you have to build it by hand with custom built components to make it all work
So it has all the disadvantages of a ground-up custom solution and none of the advantages, and it costs MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
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@mawr SAP is gross... I feel the same way about any hyper-convergence solution as well. Either literally build your own in a colo or go public cloud... or if you are small and don't burning a ton of cash find a good managed hosting solution (Good luck!) and then implement a not shitty solution...
Fuck Salesforce is less shitty and has it's own private cloud hosting (Depending on what you are using SAP for)
Just looking at it seems like a fucking nightmare
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@mawr Oh... and M$ Dynamics is at least cheaper than SAP or Oracle ERP when the a M$ enterprise product actually cheaper than the competition something has to be wrong..
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@wobblewuffess Really? Microsoft's main business model for years and years was providing a slightly inferior product at a significantly lower price
That's the main reason why Microsoft Exchange became the defacto business email server-- they were selling licenses for Exchange Server at an effective loss because nothing else could sell MS Office Volume License Keys better.
Also: Kinda fucked up that Oracle owns SAP while also selling their own. ...That's a very Oracle way of doing business.
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@mawr Oracle competing with itself... sounds right.
On the MS side, I suppose I've not been exposed to that and lately MS's enterprise offerings have been super pricey with the exception of O365 and it's associated product lines.
Then again they dominate the small to medium enterprise market and open source solutions are scary for a lot of small to medium businesses that don't have the in house staffing to implement and manage them.
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Although they were pushing headless hyper-v and Win Server solutions hard at least 2-3 years ago and practically giving it away to anyone that would sign up (ignore the insane cost of support contracts for calls though...)
That shit was a nightmare when I was working in Support.
Especially since Hyper-V Gen 2 and 3 were super buggy on when it came to VSS functionality and lot of the basic features you'd want related to backup and restoring a virtual environment
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@mawr That sounds about right for my experiences. vmWare is it's own nightmare but argh... it actually works with their white list.
Hyper-V is great... until it isn't and 99% the cause is some weird edge case that makes you want to pull your hair out... and then the hair out of the Hyper-V dev team.
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@wobblewuffess Hyper-V is so infuriating
It's like 95% of an excellent hypervisor and 5% bugs that make me distrusting of its ability to remain stable
We had to go through 3 different NICs in our Hyper-V servers before we finally found a specific brand and model from their own published known compatible list that didn't just drop network connectivity with one of 5 unrelated error messages