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uspol, even more snark 

Do people seriously not do the basic fucking self-examination of "OK, if this exact same news item were happening with the parties flipped, would I be having the same reaction?"

Evidently not. Seems like basic Intellectual Integrity 101 to me. But honestly? If we were the ones storming the White House, you know deep down in your heart we'd all, INCLUDING ME, be spouting rationalizations about why this is legal and fine. And the conservatives, naturally, would be screaming about how it's a war against them and a coup and the end of democracy forever. And they, too, would be idiots. *sigh*

Sorry, that's just the way humans work. And if you have a rational about why it's Different For Us... well, that's nice. People always do. ALWAYS.

I'm not saying that we DON'T have a superior cause, nor that that cause might not indeed better justify us invading the Capitol. I'm saying that we both know damn well most of our reactions to this have NOTHING to do with those detailed reasons nor any serious thought into them, and EVERYTHING to do with the same dumb in-group/out-group shit that's always plagued humanity.

Doesn't mean the people in the Capitol Building are not wholly (a) wrong (b) bad (c) seditionist (d) criminal or (e) proto-fascist at best. It just means that just like them, when the chips are down, we think being "NOT the bad guys" -- i.e. just belonging to the right club and mouthing the right dogma -- is enough to justify what we do, even if it breaks the law or hurts people.

There's a parallel universe, I PROMISE YOU, where we fell for a Stalin-grade leftist narcissist who played us like fiddles and YOU AND I ARE FUCKING LOVING IT and have zero moral qualms about any of it.

Or maybe in that universe, you just got tired of my handwringing and up and shot me. That's fine.

re: uspol, even more snark 

TL;DR: Please acquire a copy of Faces Of The Enemy and staple it to your face on my behalf. ;p

re: uspol, even more snark 

(I do also really want to emphasize that "superior cause" thing. I think, yeah, it's 100% fair to entertain the argument that "we get to use force to maintain power because WE DON'T PUT KIDS IN CAGES OR WAVE THE FLAG OF A SLAVER NATION, ASSHOLES." It's the reflexive mutual unawareness that it's ALL totally contingent not on absolute morality but on who's doing it and which side they're on...)

re: uspol, even more snark 

(Fair confession: this lecture is coming from a damn fool who has literally caught himself bitching out a conservative for threatening gun violence less than ten minutes after ranting here about how much I'd love to shoot a Proud Boy. The dissonance was so bad I didn't even notice on first pass. And shamefully, I did nothing to correct it once noticed.)

(And that's the point. I have sincerely fought this shit tooth and nail since the day I renounced Christianity 27 years ago. AND I STILL SUCK AT IT. WE ALL REALLY REALLY SUCK AT IT AND WE'RE FUCKED UNLESS WE GET STRAIGHT TO WORK ON IT.)

uspol, even more snark 

@zebratron2084

Yeah, people love their polarizing, charismatic leaders. But if what you posit is true, I'd have expected Bernie to at least have soundly taken the primary.

I think Team Blue has attracted more people that are able to at least get a bit into the mouth of their animal selves - If for no other reason than because if you think doing that's worthehile, you're going to be repulsed by Team Red, pretty quick.

re: uspol, even more snark 

@Orb2069 I'm probably badly biased, admittedly, by the fact my timeline tends to lean WAY more radical than stuffy old 20th-century neo-Marxist me...

re: uspol, even more snark 

@zebratron2084 And I'm willing to bet THAT space is just as heavily camped by Agents Provocateur as the Proud Boys - With the twist that it's just as likely to be FBI backed as it is China or Russia.

re: uspol, even more snark 

@Orb2069 I mean, the historical record 100% backs you on this one given some of the shit they were pulling in the 1960s, or the 1985 MOVE bombing...

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