Taking a quick survey for a "friendly discussion" elsewhere:
If modern masculinity remained exactly the same, except that it totally abandoned the elements of degradation of women, bullying, abuse, and exploitation...
...and focused on, say, Doing Bold Physical Things Outdoors With Other Manly People, Cultivating A Masterful And Gentlemanly Mustachio, and Pugilizing Consensually With Other Likely Young Lads...
...would you be okay with it and drop all grievances against it?
@zebratron2084 I mean I still do't think mustaches are very attractive, but otherwise, sure why not. ;)
@indi Yeah, me either, honestly. I would shave every day if I weren't so freaking bad at it (and my dad hadn't cursed me with dark Italian bristle that's probably made of something more like oak fiber than keratin :p ). Hell, I'd dip myself in Nair up to the eyebrows daily if it were safe. XD
@zebratron2084 I've become largely inured to stubble, thanks to the ottr in my house who has a similar problem. ;) But I 100% don't understand actually-grown-out mustaches at all.
@indi The only time I ever dabble in that sort of sculpture is when I'm alone in a locked bathroom and midway through shaving.
"Okay, let's try a H*tler for just a... haha, no no no. God, no wonder he lost the war. And this Zappa looks bad enough. Let's try the Belcher. Oh god no, it ALLLLLL goes..."
@zebratron2084 I'm actually more down with full facial hair too? I think that's why mustache itself strikes me as weird, it's like "Okay you shaved the rest, so you're actually making a point of keeping the weird lip hair, why?" O.o