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My eternal Contra take. 

Yes I watch every video she makes. Still. I try to like them. I try.

Bluntly, she's advertising to the kind of boys that would have included me if I'd not transitioned. I hate that but it's something to keep in mind.

That being said, she doesn't care about the damager her statements cause outside of that, and her persona demands she not or else she'd loose cred with the target she's got.

My eternal Contra take. (In short) 

She's a piece of shit gatekeeper, doing some really hard, stressful and very needed work for people who do need it.

There isn't a cultural alternative to toxic masculinity and until there is we need this shitty bandage to help stop some of the bleeding.

My eternal Contra take. (In short) 

@Draekos yeah I. Don't call her out really bc I know she has been helpful for some people but holy shit she leaves a lot of collateral damage in her wake

My eternal Contra take. (In short) 

@AzureHusky @Draekos i think this is the approach we should all be taking wrt her. Don’t chase her off the internet or try to destroy her channel or whatever... recognizing some of the good in what she does, and the inherent risks/challenges of her visibility, but also... don’t let her bullshit go uncriticized, either, from our end.

My eternal Contra take. (In short) 

@AzureHusky @Draekos quite some time ago i took the “leave contra alone!” approach, like early on in her popularity climb. I’m sure it’s not easy to do what she does, so visibly. But since then, she’s said some stuff that is really personally hurtful and invalidating to me and others, trying to appeal this wider audience of mostly white cis people who want trans issues to be simplistic and easy to digest.

re: My eternal Contra take. (In short) 

@coda @AzureHusky bingo. this. ffs. I want her to at least try to not stomp on other people's experiences.

re: My eternal Contra take. (In short) 

@Draekos @coda @AzureHusky IMHO tragically this habit will ultimately make her dangerous as it's shown the willingness to otherize people who are to "yucky"

re: My eternal Contra take. (In short) 

@coda @AzureHusky criticizing her bullshit becomes something to give a backhanded apology for from her next video. But yeah, I'm just hoping eggs don't run across it, and take her as talking to them instead.

re: My eternal Contra take. (In short) 

@Draekos @coda yeah I've basically taken to doing educational tweet threads that are indirectly subtweeting her shitty takes but aren't about cancelling her, just providing alternate things for vulnerable people to read

My eternal Contra take. (In short) 

@Draekos Has she ever apologized for the whole who-should-transition and shitty on nonbinary people thing?

re: My eternal Contra take. (In short) 

@IrisKalmia Not in any way I've noticed, but I also don't read her tweets so maybe?

re: My eternal Contra take. (In short) 

@Draekos well I guess that sums up my ContraTake™️

re: My eternal Contra take. (In short) 

@IrisKalmia as an update from yesterday, basically:

"I don't get misgendered so why do we need to say pronouns? Why am I inconvenienced for NB people's confort?????"

re: My eternal Contra take. (In short) 

@Draekos ....hooooo

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@Draekos I really don't like how Contra constantly feels the need to throw nonbinary folk under the bus in order to do so.

My eternal Contra take. 

@Draekos and here's me clicking the CW thinking I'll get to read a post about my favorite run and gun franchise

My eternal Contra take. 

@behold3r oh. My should have thought that through. Will probably just delete it later.

My eternal Contra take. 

@Draekos it's not like that's what everyone else will also think of first

re: My eternal Contra take. 

@Draekos

My take on Contrapoints: she's not talking to us anymore, she's talking to the TERFs and non-trans among us about trans issues. She took the full course and opted to try to teach Trans 101 to assholes.

The only way to talk to those folks is to speak to them at their level. Just seeing someone like her stoop to that level, even as a performance, is hard to watch. It feels like losing an ally every time. So I don't watch her videos anymore. :x

re: My eternal Contra take. 

@mawr yeah I may join you in that.

The roommates put it on for the last two, so I dunno. I think there's now another thing to have me politely find a reason to leave the room.

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