why do people dislike zelda 2 so much, anyway? we like it a lot
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@Felthry I always found the combat unusably clunky, and the trigger soup is highest-level. Most dungeon enemies are needlessly frustrating to bash your head against and fail repeatedly, sending you all the way back to the origin point of the game if you game over.
@Facet "trigger soup"?
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@Felthry Unclear direction, weird plot triggers forming a knot of unintuitive required events.
@sharkNserg @Facet I suppose the only reason we don't see how unclear zelda 2 is would be because we played it as a kid, and know the general progression of things
I can see how it'd be hard for someone with no knowledge of the game, yeah
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@sharkNserg We encountered this a couple weeks ago when a friend wanted to try the igavania castlevanias and asked our advice on whether sotn would be a good one to start with... we said yes, because it's a pretty easy game and lets you start at the beginning
they promptly ended up taking a wrong turn and getting frustrated enough to give up on the game, and after looking into the game again i can see how that happened
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@sharkNserg sotn gives you way too much freedom way too early, you can wander off the beaten path and end up extremely far out of your depth very easily if you don't know where you're going
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@Felthry @sharkNserg I gave up somewhere in the "after surviving the impossible heck called Death Mountain, go to the next town, where a kid tells you about the water of life out in, some swamp you probably already had access to. Take it to some old lady who doesn't actually say she needs the water of life directly, so you can enter her house, go in the fireplace to get the fairy spell, then find the one tile of graveyard that's a hole where you need fairy to proceed" part of things.
@Felthry yeah, that can happen a lot - it's actually surprising how much I can watch someone get totally lost and unsure how to progress in, say, Ocarina of Time when they're new to it. I played it so much when I was little that I kind of just take a lot for granted!