So are Orcs and Goblins the same in Tolkien's universe? Because I'm used to thinking of them as pretty different.
They're different in Tolkien's Universe
@ThatDamnCat Different how? The Wiki I'm looking at says they aren't differentiated. It's been a long time since I read The Hobbit though and I never read any of the other books, so I don't remember.
I suppose I'm thinking about more modern interpretations.
I read all the books and they're the same there because he changed the language, so there was no orc/goblin difference (never see them in the same room together trope) but in modern adaptations they are differentiated.
@ThatDamnCat Yeah that makes sense.
I just ask because I got bored and decided to watch the second Hobbit movie (newish one, not animated) tonight. I saw the first one in theaters and never got around to seeing the other two.
Anyway, the orcs in *this adaptation* are flanked by smaller, more variant-looking creatures and I wondered if they were goblins so looked it up.
Knowing me, I'm going to spend the rest of the night reading up on lore.
I have it on Blu Ray and still haven't watched the third Hobbit movie.
The LOTR movies were better than what I've seen of the Hobbit movies.
Yeah, it's definitely shot for a younger audience. Lots of bright colors, simplification, gags in the middle of otherwise tense scenes.
I don't remember the LOTR movies being as directly targeted to children, but The Hobbit is considered more of a child's book than the LOTR series is so maybe that was intentional.
Also I was 11-14 when the LOTR movies came out, so it's totally possible they might be less adult than I remember upon rewatching.
I'd say this assessment is fairly accurate
I've seen LOTR (all movies) probably a dozen times at least and I was a grown-up. The few jokes in the LOTR movies are subtle and situationally amusing without calling extra attention to themselves.
The levity in the Hobbit and some of the overly done scenes (like the escape/chase down the river) are so beyond necessary and went beyond the scope of the original material in an unpleasant way.
The Hobbit book was more grown-up than the movie
@ThatDamnCat
Okay, so my memory holds. Maybe I'll rewatch the LOTR movies sometime soon.
Yeah, it's a bit much. That and characters are "good" or "bad" is overly simplified ways. To be fair, most media for children does this, but it's so over-the-top and obnoxiously coded (handsome, masculine men= good, feminine or ugly guys= bad) that it gives me a tummyache. I think I've been spoiled by the independent media I consume, and even ASOIAF to an extent (though it's not perfect).