people who hurt people should be held accountable for that, no matter what. if a queer person with some small amount of clout hurt you, you deserve to find peace for that in some way

but i think we can afford a lighter, more restorative touch for people who, say, can't afford teams of lawyers and pr agents

to wit, if you dox a rich douche's address they can probably just hire a security detail and move

if you dox a queer person there's a decent chance they'll die on the streets

i guess this is why kiwifarms gets away with what it does. it's still fucking despicable, even if it sometimes goes after people who genuinely did harm, because they don't actually care about justice, just destroying people and laughing about it

a certain leftist furry whose name i will not publicly repeat thinks using "evidence" from kf is fine because sometimes their targets really are bad. thanks! you are a dangerous individual and i will never trust you again

also, a hint: sometimes the targets you think are bad are not actually bad and you're caught in a web of deception that kiwifarms helped perpetrate. these are my fucking friends we're talking about, asshole

and anyway, what's the difference between a bad person and a person who's simply done something bad? how can you tell the difference? are you bothering to try?

sometimes a lie is just the truth stripped of its nuance

i have more thoughts about stuff like how purity politics in queer spaces interacts with all this but i'm tired of thinking about it. it's tiring. i'm tired

@typhlosion THANK YOU.

Thank you /so/ much for talking about this.

*boosts thread*

@typhlosion You can always come back later with your extremely thought-provoking stuff!

@typhlosion justice should come with a goal. when powerful people are outed as abusers, the goal should be to get them to stop, generally by removing them from the power they leverage. unfortunately, in many cases the goal is not to prevent harm but to disappear people

@typhlosion the latter is what I remember going by "callout culture" before Tumblr detonated and the "X is cancelled" meme got mixed up in the wreckage

@it_wasnt_arson same practice different name, in both cases

@typhlosion I think the origins of the names are worth thinking about, at least. "callout post" doesn't presuppose any power dynamic, it's a peer warning. "cancelling" implies revoking, removing from power

@it_wasnt_arson definitely. ive been thinking about this stuff for years

i would love to talk at greater length about this, im just real tired

@typhlosion even then the distinction was muddy and people tried to justify siccing harassers on people for using arrow quotes on discord and being friends with someone who minimized their own experiences of abuse by making themselves out to be bravely standing up to abusers and drastically overstating evidence, but I don't think the conflation of the two cases is an accident