@gardevoir What does "also-ran" mean?
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@Felthry oh! hm. it's a term that's like "something which competed, technically, but did not succeed beyond maybe completing the race"

i.e., in the competition between the PS1 and the N64, the Atari Jaguar is definitely an also-ran

@gardevoir oh! so like video 2000 or hd vmd
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@Felthry oh my god, these are so obscure even *i've* never heard of them and I've fallen down a dozen youtube holes about obscure media formats, this rules

but yes, 100% accurate

@gardevoir i didn't think video 2000 at least was that obscure!! hd vmd though, definitely obscure as fuck
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@gardevoir obscure media formats are pretty cool though, i encourage falling down youtube and/or wikipedia holes

here are a few others for you: tefifon, CED, DVD-RAM, apple pippin
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@Felthry okay, I've heard at least in passing of most of those, but now I get to look up what the fuck "tefifon" is

thank you! kehehehe

@gardevoir that was the most obscure one i could think of off hand, so i'm glad to have introduced you to at least one new thing!
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@gardevoir it's a pretty neat sort of thing--imagine an endless loop tape like an 8-track, but with grooves like a vinyl record in it instead of magnetic media
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