@noiob the switch is weird
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@noiob prior to the switch's release it was a fully exclusive thing though, we don't know of any other systems like it (the sega nomad and turbografx express both are handhelds that play the same games as consoles, so the definitions still work) -F

@Felthry yeah but handheld consoles aren't fundamentally different from tv-bound consoles, they just bring their own screen, speakers and power supply

@noiob the types of games on them are designed differently (at least historically), and they follow their own release generations rather than going along with consoles
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@noiob also, they've been historically considered two separate categories and i don't see any real reason to go against that
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@Felthry you should check out more handhelds if you think the games are always fundamentally different. It's wholly based on specs. There's plenty of straight ports as early as the PSP, the GBA had SNES games and Doom I/II, the N-Gage had a port of PSX Tomb Raider

@noiob it's not that they're *always* different, but they tend to be designed differently
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@noiob there are definitely design characteristics that are more common in handheld games than in console games--like until recently, being able to save a game just anywhere was a common thing for handheld games for instance, because they're more often designed with the idea in mind that kids might need to turn them off on short notice when the car trip is over or whatever

You also had things like larger sprites to counteract the smaller screen
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@noiob they're not fundamentally inherently different, they're just frequently designed differently to meet different needs
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@noiob you could make a handheld game without any of these characteristics, and you could make a console game with all of them, it's not a hard and fast rule
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@Felthry well yeah, console games are always designed to fit the hardware they're running on

@noiob and handheld hardware has historically had significantly different characteristics than console hardware
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@Felthry yeah, the difference is fully explained in the qualifier "handheld" before "video game console"

@noiob okay but in our experience, in our dialect of english, "console" refers to a thing you plug into a tv, and a handheld is not that

you are perfectly free to use the words differently but please don't tell us we're wrong for making the distinction when it's one we and people around us have made our entire lives
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@Felthry I mean there's handheld other things and also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handheld_game_console

@noiob there are yes

but in the context of video games "handheld" is enough as a noun, or "handheld video game system"

maybe our usage is in the minority if wikipedia doesn't make the distinction but please, it really feels like you're just telling us we're wrong for using words differently from you and it's getting pretty uncomfortable
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@Felthry the newest generation of Playstations/Xboxes have the ability to suspend and resume gameplay now