can people who do twitch streaming stuff just.... *stop* with the requiring us to give our phone number to twitch thing???
please???
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@Felthry yeah it sucks, a lot mew
@Felthry many people have to do it to protect themselves from hate raids. It's inconvenient but their safety comes first.
@sharkNserg how much does it even work for that though? it feels more like amazon trying to steal your information while claiming it will help somehow
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@sharkNserg like it feels like they could do much more effective things but they're just taking advantage of the situation to get more marketing information
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@Felthry @sharkNserg Most people mass farming accounts generally don't have masses of phone numbers.
@Felthry @sharkNserg There are arguably more things they can do that are more efficient, requiring verified phone numbers is like taking a sledgehammer to do the job of a chisel, but Amazon/Twitch likely went with "easy" over something that would cost time and resource.
@DarkOverord @sharkNserg i think "easy" was less of a consideration than "gets us more data for our panopticon"
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@Felthry @sharkNserg Given it's on the streamer to set up what specific verification methods are required to chat (Verified number, followed for more than X time, and so on)
Honestly "easy" is probably the case.
@DarkOverord @sharkNserg we've heard this one is on by default though
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@Felthry @sharkNserg Could be my account's age + never streaming but...
@DarkOverord @Felthry it isn't on by default for me but if I ever experience a hate raid it is going on and staying on forever
@sharkNserg @DarkOverord it just feels like they could do a lot more to help the problem and also a lot less to make people uncomfortable giving them their phone numbers
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@sharkNserg @DarkOverord rrf, sorry. i'm just Upset about this and it's hard to see the good side to it
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@Felthry sure, but in the meantime, I feel like it's unfair to put the responsibility on streamers to open themselves up to hate raids to make it easier for you to chat.
@sharkNserg does it actually help against that though? if it does, sure, i'm still upset about it but that's fine
it just parses a lot more as a way for amazon to steal more data than any legitimate attempt to help
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@sharkNserg also i am aware that we're just Upset right now and not thinking entirely rationally, it's hard to see the positives at the moment but i understand they are there
just. ugh
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@sharkNserg sorry about that. we're not as upset now and i feel kinda bad about that
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@Felthry it is easily the most effective thing available at the moment; bot accounts used in them generally never have verified phone numbers tendering them totally ineffectual
@Felthry twitch has a massive spam problem, I reckon that's why many people have that on. Makes it a bit easier to manage
@noiob it feels like amazon is just taking advantage of the situation to steal more phone numbers though
rather than doing anything that would actually help
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@Felthry I don't think they have a lack of phone numbers, but they definitely could be doing a lot more about spammers, especially the ones that are targeted harassment. Streamers have been calling for them to do something for quite a while now but so far they've done barely anything https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/11/22620874/twitch-implements-improved-chat-filters
it feels like we're just not allowed to check out a new stream because everyone makes it so that you have to give amazon/twitch your phone number to be able to talk in the chat
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