Goldkin @Goldkin@awoo.space

@qdot It al̵̛̬̏̍̉́̀͂̕͝l̷͖̈̏̏͛̌̃͗͝͝ s̸̭̤̳̎̇̇̃̈͊͌͝t̸̛̜͈̼̄͂͛̽̓̑̕ą̸̤́͋͝ŗ̴̨̰̳̪͒̈́t̷͉̉̀́͋͊͑̿̾ş̸̻̺͖̩̟̗̀̂̈́̎̾̓͜͠ ̵̤͓̑͂̀ẃ̷̻͖̆͛̀͐̍͑͐̌į̸̨͉̗̖͍̖̒́̋̿̚t̷̤͉͖̖́͋̽͛̀h̷̛̦̺̥͙̑ ̶͈͍̼̺̗̱̐͆̅̋͗̑̚͝a̶̡̢̫̖̘̦̰̞͠ ̵̨̹͓̞̱͇̙̏̔͑̇͂͂c̴̝̜̽̉̾̍̒̽͌͜͝ͅu̶̢͕͔͕͇̖͊̊̀̒̾̿̀́̕͜b̵̢͔͔̍̏̈̉̒̇͋̽͒ͅĕ̴̳͑̀̈́̽ͅ

@Felthry I should have said "typically" and "in certain media" to clarify, and to specify the exact script of kanji, since yes they differ widely.

All I was trying to say is that the cultural assumption of "left than right" can influence design, and in certain cases gets culturally inverted, messing with design elements in games.

@Felthry Which is all to say: it's probably weird because the popular speedrun categories skip steps intended for normal play.

@Felthry As for RTL: kanji are top to bottom, so the left or right ordering can differ. But certain media popular with the same demographic (eg, manga) read right to left, so the cultural ordering can swap in those cases.

In the case of Fire Temple, though, its progression is unambiguously linear in a casual setting.

@Felthry To be fair, in vanilla, you're prevented from going right to begin with by a key door. The expected progression starts left with Darunia and a small key, then sends you right with that key, which is bypassed in every speedrun category except NMG.

So the flow of that dungeon ends up as a left-right-left in its intended ordering, making it flow more naturally in a casual setting, but seem weird in the speedrun.

@Felthry This may be a design thing. Westerners read left to right, but certain kanjis read right to left. So the expected order of progression is flipped (and this holds for the master quest version of the dungeon as well).

That said, let's not discuss Twilight Princess, which did flip its entire world because of right-handed motion controls. @..@

@keliff @Felthry I've run its randomizer a few times with this mod, and can 100% confirm

Realizing this "crypto-art"... thing... is just an advanced form of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Million_Dollar_Homepage

Can we all just agree to trick these people into somehow paying taxes or supporting the environment instead?

@DrSagan DARVO?