@CoronaCoreanici Nobody lives in the world-that-is, Frame Zero. That is to say, everyone does, but nobody perceives it. Everyone's consciousnesses are made _of_ the universe, and therefore limited in what parts of the universe it can perceive. Nobody perceives the world-that-is. We all only perceive the worlds that our senses are capable of perceiving. Our contexts are inseparable from our sensoria and neural nets. Those may be changed in material, but not in phenomenology.

@CoronaCoreanici But what is the value of replacing world-that-seems with world-that-is? Seems like that's just an erasure of the self, that which defines our uniqueness, our qualia and narratives. I'd rather seek union with and understand the qualia of others in radical intersubjectivity than ask everyone, especially me, to extinguish that spark. I want to be the truest selves I can be, not just a mouthpiece for the universe. I want to have meaning.

@CoronaCoreanici To be sure, objectivity has a valuable place. If we can't agree on facts, we lose our ability to share meaning meaningfully. Frame Zero has to exist for intersubjectivity to have value, and understanding the matter of which we're made helps us be our truest selves better. But there is no _meaning_ in Frame Zero, or if there is we lack the means to know it directly. And it's in the meaning that life becomes more than an endurance run.

@CoronaCoreanici Wonder isn't meaning. Kaleidoscopes are wondrous. Rainbows are wondrous. I can marvel at the majesty of the natural world with the best of them, but it ultimately carries no context of its own. There's no _intent_ behind it, and ultimately it feels hollow to me as a result, like William Gibson's boxmaking robot in Neuromancer. The meaning and value of such splendour must come from within us, else it's just so many leptons in formation.

@CoronaCoreanici For me, at least, the magic in a cloud, a waterfall, or a rainbow isn't in the thing-in-itself, but in the wonder it creates, wonder which itself only exists in the minds of those who behold it. The wonder isn't inherent in the universe, but in the minds of those who perceive and are transformed by such perceptions. We need only look to those who aren't moved by such phenomena, and to know people can be taught to feel it, to know that.

@literorrery Your stoned musings are way more erudite than mine. I just kinda ramble and bang on the keyboard because I think it's funny.