@xurnami I do agree that nothing that is being used as evidence against eevee specifically is particularly valid; she was in a really bad spot when she said what she did and the Internet was a different place at the time, too.

On the other hand, Marl has been Quite Notorious in many circles for a long time and I have a hard time believing he's innocent at this point.

The whole situation is incredibly unfortunate, in any case.

@xurnami also I know that if something had gone a bit differently in 2011 I'd be in a very similar spot as eevee right now and so I have to be incredibly sympathetic to what's going on there, if my understanding of the situation is even in the vaguest ballpark.

@fluffy If Marl is an actual problem, why is it always Eevee and Glip who are brought up? Marl is always a sideshow to the discussions I see about this.

But yeah, I can see how I could have ended up in the same place too.

@xurnami because glip and eevee are 🎵internet famous🎶 so the usual cadre of shitlords want to take them down a peg. And focusing on them being complicit in someone else’s shit (and then recontextualizing everything they can find) is the most efficient way.

@xurnami I mean don’t get me wrong, both of them have shown off some bad opinions and attitudes at times in their pasts which makes them particularly easy to dredge up stuff to recontextualize. And they’ve made many, many enemies in how they’ve dealt with certain interpersonal matters and various modes of discourse. So that also makes them easy targets.

@xurnami probably their biggest “crime” is being confident in themselves. The internet HATES that.