@Felthry https://www.ssbwiki.com/SmashWiki:Glossary this is pretty good, but if you're wondering about anything specific i can probably help

@monorail this doesn't include the one that I was most curious about--I've seen several moves called "a gentleman" (e.g. "toon link's jab ends in a gentleman") and I don't know what that means

@Felthry this is a really weird one that i actually had to look up to be 100% sure

some characters have a jab that can be optionally continued into a rapid flurry of attacks, and if you choose to not do that, the final hit is called a gentleman

i also do not know why it's called taht

@monorail i also have no idea, that's weird

@Felthry @monorail https://www.ssbwiki.com/Gentleman suggests it's named after Some Person, like with a lot of fighting game jargon.

I'm confused as to why it needed naming anyway.

@BatElite @Felthry Ah, okay, I was on that page but didn't scroll down far enough

It makes sense to me for it to have a name, otherwise it's just "that tech you have to learn as captain falcon to use his jab effectively"

@monorail @Felthry maybe because not doing the full hit combo is seen as "polite"?

@noiob @Felthry at least in the case of captain falcon (who the term usually is used in reference to), the gentleman is considered the superior option

@monorail @Felthry it still stuns the opponent for less time, right?

@noiob @Felthry i'm not sure, but it knocks them away far enough to be generally safer

@noiob @monorail the first instance we saw it, don't remember what character, the attack it referred to was jabbing forward with your palm up and fingers outstretched, which we took to mean it was just a name for that type of attack since it looks like you're holding out some invisible thing politely or something, which would kinda make sense? but then we saw it applied to toon link's jab where the equivalent attack is stabbing with a sword

@Felthry @monorail oh lol it's named after a player https://www.ssbwiki.com/Gentleman#Trivia

@monorail another question, what's a cross-up?

@Felthry in smash? because i know what a crossup is but the definition i know doesn't make sense in smash

@monorail that's the context I heard it, what's it mean in the context you know?

@Felthry in traditional 2d fighting games, you block by holding away from your opponent. so if you're on their left, you block by holding left. if your opponent jumps and does an aerial attack, it can be hard to tell which side of you they're on when the attack hits. so if i'm on someone's left, holding left, they jump attack me and just barely hit me from the left while i'm still holding that way, that means their crossup hit me

@monorail that actually does make sense in this context then sort of (it was talking about how bayonetta's smash attacks are bad at hitting behind her)

@Felthry i see

A cross-up is the act of timing an attack (typically a dash attack or aerial) such that the user moves past the opponent and ends up behind them once the hitboxes are gone.

similar idea, i guess

@monorail also do you know what "2-frame" as a verb means?

@Felthry would depend on context, but my guess is "do something that will only work for a specific 30th of a second"

like if you have a 2 frame window to punish something, doing so might be referred to as "2-framing"?

@monorail well there've been a number of moves where one of the comments was "it 2-frames"

@Felthry hmmmmmm in that case maybe "it only gives them two frames to punish" or something? like it's relatively safe because they can't possibly react in time, they'd have to predict it? but again, not sure

@Felthry oh! no, i'm completely wrong

@Felthry i assume this is a smash ultimate video?

if a move 2-frames, it means that it can hit a character who's currently in the two frames of vulnerability at the beginning of their ledge grab

@monorail yes, it's about smash ultimate

@monorail why are these terms so arcane

@Felthry probably because there's a scarcity of guides out there aimed at brand new players, even newbie stuff tends to assume you're alrighty familiar with the scene

tbh, as far as arcane terms go, 2-frames isn't that bad

@socks some of it makes sense, i've figured otu what the move names are at least, that's easy enough

but what's "neutral game"? also some attacks are called a "gentleman", and i can't even think of any others right now but there are definitely other confusing terms

@Felthry They aaaare, and Smash is particularly bad about this from what I've seen. I've learned some of the terms from exposure but I don't actually know if they're correct

The neutral game is when none of the characters are in a disadvantage state. When a character gets hit and needs to recover, that's a disadvantage

As for the gentleman, I've only heard it referring to Captain Falcon, but he has two different jab attacks, I think one is if you simply press A and another if you hold it? The gentleman is the attack without the multihit. It might also refer to similar moves on other characters, I dunno

@socks https://glaceon.social/@monorail/104129278451310138 holly had an answer to that one