best non-ganon zelda bad guy:
@Felthry we don't know very many of them to even suggest ... we could vote for vaati but we don't know who the others are
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@packbat agahnim is the wizard from alttp, dethyl is the boss of the nightmares in LA, majora is the bad guy of majora's mask, you know vaati, zant is the bad guy in twilight princess, bellum is the evil squid thing from phantom hourglass, cole is the evil chancellor from spirit tracks, malladus is the evil train from spirit tracks, ghirahim is the queer-coded sword guy from skyward sword, and demise is the guy who basically created ganon also from skyward sword
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@Felthry *nods*
I think of those we've played ... the beginning of alttp? we really missed out on Zelda games, mostly.
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@Felthry we could vote for vaati anyway but we want to be clear that we'd be doing so mostly in ignorance
although we do think vaati is very cool
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@packbat vaati is pretty cool, yeah
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@Felthry I haven't even *heard* of Bellum
@sharkNserg giant evil squid thing from phantom hourglass, probably the least interesting zelda bad guy ever, and a contender for least interesting boss even including all the regular bosses
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@Felthry I only know of Demise thanks to youtube lore videos, but that's where my vote went.
@Felthry Vaati. Canonically of course, but more for this non-canon appearance: https://figmentforms.tumblr.com/post/616949780040515584/part-208-of-a-tale-of-two-rulers-may-1-2020
Second-best: Hylia. While it's all off-camera and only given in Skyward Sword, pretty sure she knows exactly what she's doing and manipulates the setting in many arcs convincingly, especially in OoT hero survives timeline. That we think she's "good" is part of that arc (Two Rulers also heavily explores this theme).
sorry for repeatedly redrafting i forgot a lot of them
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