Follow

cultural appropriation 

@qualia Oddly enough this exact thought has been on my mind a lot this week, since I came back from New Mexico with a TON of sagebrush for that purpose.

Collecting my own has become my best effort to address the appropriation issues too. Seeing those little sage kids in the store, with their native-feishizing packaging, makes me feel super-gross, as does, frankly, the fact that I only encountered the process via newage routes, despite (because of?) growing up in NM.

cultural appropriation 

@indi @qualia this is one space I have trouble understanding with cultural appropriation - you're using a natural resource for a personal reason, not in a way that's marketed/intended to make you money nor in a way that's intended to say "this is now my religious thing" esp if you're recognizing the history of it

I feel like this should be a thing that's OK? I'm down to hear why not

cultural appropriation 

@vahnj @qualia It's impossible for me to answer this authoritatively since I'm not a member of the culture being appropriated here, but here's my thinking/understanding:

The more of that that someone does, the more comfortable that I personally feel about it. What gives me pause is that I can't be sure the next person won't see me doing it and take just the superficial contextless trappings and be pretty appropriative with it.

cultural appropriation 

@qualia @vahnj This doesn't mean I can't do it, but it does basically mean I need to have the Big Appropriation Discussion every time I'm visible with it. c.c;

cultural appropriation 

@qualia @qualia Another way to complexify this is to consider that "burning plant matter for ritual purposes", broadly, is pretty universal. Mugwort, frankincense, dragon's blood, and on and on, across the world.

If I want to practice this in a bioregional way, using the fragrant plants around me, and those happen to be white sage and cedar... what do I do? Importing something from elsewhere could be seen as a different sort of appropriation.

cultural appropriation 

@indi @qualia Here's a fresh layer of textural complications: the practice of burning cannabis as a religious sacrament appears to date to multiple cultures, but there's also a really compelling argument that it's been a core element of spiritual alchemy since the seventh century. Do I have to break down the history of alchemy every time I want to talk about pot in ritual context so I don't sound like a Trustifarian? I talk enough already when I'm high, don't I? =n.n=

cultural appropriation 

@literorrery Not EVERY time, but I'd be interested to hear it, myself. ;)

cultural appropriation 

@qualia @indi In all seriousness, I don't think there's really getting away from the fact that we're the product of culture that has engaged in a ton of historical appropriation, to the point that even trying to craft something ex nihilo risks some form of appropriative use. It feels like all I can do is acknowledge that fact, boost the original voices as I can, and try to rectify what pain I can as I go. =x.x=

cultural appropriation 

@literorrery @qualia Yeah, this is what I keep wanting to say, there's some equivalent of "no ethical consumption under capitalism" here. Or, ultimately, it's PART of that. What we're doing here is all harm-reduction.

cultural appropriation 

@indi @qualia part of the argument for sage in particular besides it being sacred to native folks who use it is that it's being overharvested, likely because of white folks who are trying to pick up "smudging" (scare quotes b/c that ain't what they're actually doing since they're not native)

cultural appropriation 

@nventous @qualia Yeeeah, when I was in New Mexico I lost count of all the places I saw sage bundles for sale. And white sage doesn't even grow there. :P

Sign in to participate in the conversation
Awoo Space

Awoo.space is a Mastodon instance where members can rely on a team of moderators to help resolve conflict, and limits federation with other instances using a specific access list to minimize abuse.

While mature content is allowed here, we strongly believe in being able to choose to engage with content on your own terms, so please make sure to put mature and potentially sensitive content behind the CW feature with enough description that people know what it's about.

Before signing up, please read our community guidelines. While it's a very broad swath of topics it covers, please do your best! We believe that as long as you're putting forth genuine effort to limit harm you might cause – even if you haven't read the document – you'll be okay!