A question I was just thinking about:
What video games would you choose if asked to make a list of classics?
I'm not asking for your favorite games--I'm asking, what would you call a classic in the same vein as the classics of literature or film; a game that every well-read (or "well-played"?) person should be expected to have at least passing familiarity with? (assume for the purposes of this that video games are generally considered a worthy form of art (they are, but not everyone agrees))
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@Felthry you covered most of the franchises I would have mentioned. I might thrown in Legend of the Dragoon or a Harvest Moon title.
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@pexl Legend of the Dragoon is still one we really ought to play sometime
Isn't it the one that has some compatibility problems with ps2s, though? I'd hate to play through most of it and then have it crash
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@Felthry Oh, and Kirby Dreamland.
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@pexl oh dear, how did I forget kirby!
@Felthry ...every attempt I make to answer this question turns into a giant essay. Like, multiple kilobytes of text. I'm pretty sure I could come up with over a hundred games for a Criterion Collection-style archive and I'm pretty sure I could come up with enough games to fill a college semester for an introductory course with commentary on almost every example.
(The 'almost' reflects the gaps in my own education: I never got into 4X or fighting games.)
Just throwing some items on a list so I can stop and do anything else today:
- M.U.L.E.
- Depression Quest
- Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
- F-Zero (on the SNES, not an emulator)
- Gone Home
- Left 4 Dead (maybe L4D2? idk, either one)
- Portal
- Mega Man 2
- Myst
feel free to ask for commentary on any of these
@packbat I'd love to see detailed commentary on your choices! We've never even heard of some of those. Why not emulating F-zero?
@Felthry Starting with F-Zero: I haven't played in emulator for a while, so things may have changed ... but F-Zero on the original SNES is /utterly smooth/ in gameplay. The seamless gamefeel does a great deal to sell the velocity of the vehicles and create a rare experience, and an emulation that doesn't achieve will fail to communicate an essential part of what makes the game important.
I'm going to be busy for a bit but go ahead and let me know any others you want me to talk about - or I can just go down the whole rest of the list if you want.
@packbat We've never attempted to play it on an emulator. I think SNES emulation is in a pretty damn good state right now though; the days of zsnes and snes9x are over
@Felthry Makes sense - and I think I was probably playing it on snes9x. If a modern emulator can match the gameplay experience, then that would work just as well or better (being easier to get a hold of).
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@Felthry (All of these have Wikipedia pages apparently? Useful.)
- M.U.L.E.: economics game. Has some pretty sweet game dynamics for markets. Particularly of interest for me because of the implicit condemnation of predatory business practices; as a kid, I would always monopolize food and create artificial scarcity to pull as much money as possible from my competitors, and then at the end it would always say the colony as a whole was super poor.
- Depression Quest: Incorporates the minimum possible element of player interaction, a choice with a fixed set of options, to highlight how depression /eliminates/ choices. The option is there, but you can't do it. That's not commonly used for narrative purpose in game design and it does it well. Also, choice-based text adventures are a thing and examples of it are good to include. (In the draft where this was a curriculum, the horror game "my father's long, long legs" - https://ifdb.tads.org/viewgame?id=u6urdbmp6pdv6lk1 - came first, because it's an excellent game and a more typical, if virtuosic, example of the Twine medium.)
- Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec: one of the best Gran Turismo games from the period when they still included the license test mechanic. I think those license tests were good pedagogical tools in and of themselves in the skills of analog controller-based sim-style videogame driving.
- Gone Home: Environmental storytelling, self-paced exploration, and multiple narratives, many of which take place in the player's mind as they determine what happened. Probably the most iconic first-person exploration game, and if not, I still think it's a more intellectually accessible choice than "Dear Esther".
- Left 4 Dead: This is the game that taught me how to play first-person shooters. As someone who was incompetent at first-person shooters, I was still an asset at normal difficulty because I was someone who could press the "get a downed person back up" or "get a special infected off" button for one of my allies. It's a cool game, it's a cool co-op shooter game, there's a lot to talk about with the AI Director and so forth, and it would also be a co-op game that a class containing players of very different skill levels could still participate in.
- Portal: ...it's a good first-person puzzle game? I haven't put a lot of thought into this choice.
- Mega Man 2: It's my favorite 2D action platformer game. Again, not a lot of thought put into this one.
- Myst: Early point-and-click adventure game. Explore beautiful fantastical worlds, solve weird puzzles, find all kinds of interesting worldbuilding information. I think a lot of puzzle games owe inspiration to this, and I think it's still a neat game.
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@packbat What is the license test mechanic you mention in gran turismo?
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@Felthry They're a series of basic race driving skill tests in isolation. Acceleration and braking, basic cornering, a variety of different kinds of corners by themselves or in series ... basically practice drills on all the parts of driving a car in a sim racing game, like practicing scales for a musician.
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We would say, in no particular order:
Final Fantasy IV, VI, VII, IX, and X
Suikoden and Suikoden 2
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario World
Super Mario 64
Super Metroid
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
A Link to the Past
Wind Waker
Pokemon Heartgold/Soulsilver
Tales of Symphonia
(at least one game from the Mega Man or Mega Man X series, I don't know which)
Tetris
Arkanoid (or at least Breakout)
Chrono Trigger
Additionally, @Rosemary would say Dragon Quest VIII as well, but I wouldn't--we agree on most of the rest