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You know what Somekh? Fuck you, you're the truscum of the plural community, and you're poisoning people's minds with this harmful exclusionary smear. Pinche sinverguenza.

Mindfuck 

Do we dream when we sleep?
Or are we all really just waking up,
to the chaotic protean nature of
the reality that lurks underneath,
when we tire of this waking illusion?

re: Intersex, genital mention, fed up 

@genderlessmenace666@queer.party gatekeepers are the absolute worst

Plural gatekeeping with a side dish of DARVO 

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FurryLife Online
The continued albiest bahavior in fandom spaces

Imagine thinking that you have to suffer an arbitrary amount for the right to have an identity, and imposing that standard on everyone else around you, and creating a false zero sum game between people like you, and people different to you who didn't need to suffer to have that identity.

In the trans world, we call those people like that truscum and TERFs, and lo and behold they have caused a lot of damage to women's and trans people's rights. So how are we supposed to see people who mirror this "suffering is mandatory, or you're a predator" rhetoric on he/him lesbians, pan/bi lesbians, and endogenic/hybrid plural systems other than harmful to the pan, lesbian or plural communities?

It's all a grift to divide us and get us fighting against each other. And who benefits from all this? Fascists.

Stop being gatekeepers, you're not helping.

DARVO, end of thread, an offer 

If you need someone to talk to who is not going to judge you for your behavior, past or present, but who will instead try to help you untangle your thoughts and get to a point where you are safe and healthy and can begin addressing what's wrong, please feel free to drop me a line. I can't promise a lot of support, but I will do what I can, even if it's simply listening.

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DARVO 

There is no shame in saying, "I'm sorry, I didn't know, I will do better next time" and simply *withdrawing*.

You do not have to fight back.

You do not have to escalate things.

It's okay to be wrong, and it's okay to admit to it. Growing and learning are part of life.

DARVO 

If you are reading this and feel like parts of it are extremely uncomfortable, good news: you can make a conscious choice to change your behavior.

If you feel ashamed of how you have been acting, realize this: growing up in an abusive household means that the coping strategies you learn are abusive. It is *on you* to realize that they do not bring you happiness and do the work to relearn them.

You can start by identifying what you do and making an effort to stop it.

DARVO 

Don't Justify what you did. They will twist it and use it against you.

Don't Argue -- this feeds their victim complex.

Don't Defend -- it makes you look guilty, and they will absolutely latch onto that.

Don't Explain -- there is no explanation you can give that will make them stop being an asshole.

Repeat what you have said, with evidence if you have it, make sure other people have the full story, and let 'em know about DARVO if you are comfortable doing so. Then bow out.

DARVO 

Finally:

If you are the whistleblower, and this happens to you, please note that you are not alone. It is a *common* tactic, laughably common.

There is not a lot you can do, but there are a few things.

There's another useful acronym here -- JADE. Justify, Argue, Defend, Explain.

The temptation is to think that you're dealing with a reasonable human being, and they'll listen to you and take what you say in good faith, but...they won't.

DARVO 

5). At this point, it is on you to let other people know what the situation is and what the accused is trying to do. You have to keep the focus on *their* behavior, and support their victim -- the ACTUAL victim.

If you can do this, congratulations, you're on your way to building a healthy community.

DARVO 

3). The accused is going to try *every tactic they can think of* to keep the listener from "turning" on them, including bringing up the past, attacking the character of the person who does the accusing with nebulous attacks, restoring to strawman arguments -- *everything*.
4). When the accused doesn't think that they have a chance of winning you over, they will label you a "toxic" person and begin to attack you as well.

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DARVO 

Recenter the narrative and make it about the original abusive act.

Point out that the person who is being called out for bad behavior is trying to rugsweep by using DARVO as a tactic.

Focus on what was originally done, not something that is long in the past or not relevant to the topic at hand.

Let's go over an example, shall we?

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DARVO 

Once you know how to spot it, you gotta know how to stop it.

Honestly? The only way to win is not to play.

But if you gotta -- if you are being forced to "pick sides" in some never-ending ridiculous conflict...and it's important to you that you DO pick a side...

Ask yourself the questions.

Figure out who is employing this technique. It's rare, but sometimes BOTH sides will, and they'll BOTH flip back and forth on who is the "victim" in the equation.

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DARVO 

Whenever you see conflict between two people who are asking you to "pick sides", you have to stop and ask yourself:

-Who brought the original accusation?
-Was that accusation grounded in reality (that is to say, it is something that makes sense and was not completely out of left field)?
-How did the person who was accused respond? What was *their* take on it? Were they apologetic and humble, or did they attack the other person and convince their friends to close ranks?

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DARVO 

In many cases, they end up building up supporters, because people see them being "attacked" (rightfully called out for doing things that are harmful or dangerous to the community), and want to step up and defend them, because they have triangulated themselves such that they are successfully read as being a victim each time.

It is *insidious*.

It is extremely common, especially in smaller communities.

*You have to be aware of how to stop it*.

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DARVO 

Once *any attention* is paid to the attack, they will begin reversing the victim and the offender in the situation. In day-to-day interactions, it can be hard to tell who is actually at fault, and this is often extremely successful.

Consider:

"They're only calling me out because [something that ties to the previous personal attack]."

Something like: "They're only calling me racist because they're queerphobic! I once overheard them call [NAME] [slur]!"

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DARVO 

There are a lot of famous examples of this. Brett Kavanagh. Matt Lauer. R. Kelly. Some people refer to it as "playing the victim", but it's more complex than that, and a lot of the time, especially in situations where it's not high-profile people involved, it gets used successfully.

When called out on bad behavior, someone will DENY that they did it: "I never said that, you can't prove it, I meant [x] not [y]..."

They will attempt to change the narrative.

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that thread about DARVO 

I said earlier that I'd talk about this, so.

It's important to know what DARVO is and how it's used as a tool to bully people into silence/complicity in bad behavior.

DARVO is an acronym. It stands for:

Deny
Attack
Reverse Victim and Offender.

It is a technique that is used by abusive people to cover up their abuse.

It is incredibly common. Knowing how to spot it is key.

re: DARVO, end of thread, an offer 

@hafnia Thank you for this, Me and my girlfriend recently had the misfortune of letting someone toxic in our lives, and he spent the first couple of months love-bombing us with gifts and affection, then as soon as cracks in that facade started to show up (Not gonna detail the specifics, it's pretty bad) he started to talk about how our problems with him are all in his head and that we're just trying to tear him down, and when i confront ed him about it in private, he did everything to try to shove guilt onto me.

It didn't work because I told him that we can talk about his issues with me LATER and that I have no problems holding myself accountable for anything I did to him, but RIGHT NOW we're talking about his problems. He ended up ghosting us afterwards.

@CaribenxMarciaX Yep, can't really do much if the people holding the keys to the platform are just as rotten as Jack Dorsey.

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